Glass and mirrors

Where the obvious answer is wrong

Cases where the treatment that removes the problem is the treatment that ruins the surface it is on.

• How do I remove limescale from a marble shower without ruining the marble?

  Marble is also calcium carbonate. The acid cannot distinguish between carbonate deposited by hard water and carbonate that is the stone itself, so it dissolves both. The result on the stone is etching: a dull, slightly rough patch where the polished surface has been chemically removed. It is not a stain and there is nothing left on the surface to clean off.

• Can I use a limescale remover on the grout in my shower?

  Cementitious grout is alkaline based and is dissolved by acids — the tile trade states this plainly and draws the conclusion itself, that manufacturers do not advocate acids because they attack the cement in the grout. Grout is also porous, so an acidic product does not merely touch the surface. The damage is gradual and looks like wear rather than like chemical attack, which is why it is rarely attributed to the cleaner that caused it.

• How do I get hard water spots off a bathroom mirror without wrecking it?

  A mirror is not a pane of glass. It is glass with a reflective coating and a protective backing, and both are exposed at every edge. The glass industry's mirror division states that acid or alkali cleaners can attack the front surface, the edges and the backing, and names cleaners containing ammonia or vinegar specifically as ones not to use. The failure is called black edge, it starts where liquid runs into the perimeter, and it is degradation of the mirror rather than dirt on it.

• Can I use a limescale remover on my bathroom taps?

  The visible part of a modern tap is a plated, physical-vapour-deposited or powder-coated finish a few microns thick, not solid metal. The manufacturer's care sheet states that PVD finishes must not meet cleaners containing ammonia, bleach or acid, which excludes most limescale removers and a good share of bathroom sprays. Because the finish is microns thick there is no margin: material lost is coating lost, the dulling is progressive, and it cannot be polished back because there is nothing underneath to polish.

• How do I get limescale off a shower screen without damaging the glass?

  The glass association's cleaning paper excludes acids from glass cleaning solutions as a class, naming hydrochloric and hydrofluoric as its examples, and warns that glass can be permanently damaged if it is infrequently or improperly cleaned. It also rules out the two things people escalate to when the acid does not work: abrasive cleaning materials, and razor blades or metal scrapers, which are excluded from routine cleaning altogether. The mechanism it gives for scratching is not the cleaner but trapped grit, so scrubbing a gritty screen is worse than leaving it.

Assessed and found wanting

Widely repeated techniques in this area that the evidence does not support, or supports only in part.

• Natural cleaning products are safer

  Does not work

  Natural describes where something came from and predicts nothing about what it does. The UK regulator lists this belief among the myths it exists to correct.

• Mixing vinegar and bicarbonate of soda

  Does not work

  The most popular cleaning combination on the internet, and the two ingredients largely cancel each other out. Both are useful — separately.

• Steel wool for stubborn marks on stainless steel

  Does not work

  It works in the moment and creates the next problem. The embedded carbon steel particles it leaves behind are what later look like the stainless steel rusting.

• Leaving bleach in the sink overnight

  Does not work

  Named and advised against by the stainless steel trade association, and it is also how two of the documented chlorine gas exposures began.

• Vinegar as an all-purpose cleaner

  Disputed

  Genuinely excellent at one job and promoted into a universal one. The surfaces it is most often recommended for online include several it permanently damages.

• Granite is acid-proof, so vinegar is fine on it

  Disputed

  The stone genuinely resists kitchen acids. The worktop is not only the stone, and the trade still does not recommend acidic cleaners on it.

• Using a limescale remover on shower grout

  Does not work

  It removes the scale and dissolves the grout. Cement is alkaline, and the tile trade says acids attack it — which is what most bathroom products are.

• Using a stone cleaner on a quartz worktop

  Does not work

  It looks like stone, it is sold as stone, and the manufacturer explicitly tells you not to use the products made for stone on it.

• Vinegar for mirrors and glass

  Does not work

  The glass industry's mirror division names vinegar explicitly among the things not to use. So does it name ammonia — which is what the shop-bought alternative contains.

• Never use an abrasive in the bathroom

  Disputed

  Right about the bath, the taps and the mirror. Wrong about the toilet and basin, where the manufacturer permits a soft abrasive outright.

• Putting a cleaning block in the cistern

  Does not work

  The manufacturer's instruction is not that it works poorly. It is that it can damage the flush valve and other working parts.

• Toothpaste as a metal polish

  Does not work

  A mild abrasive in a tube, and the tap manufacturer names it specifically among the things that must not be left on the finish.

• Scraping glass clean with a razor blade

  Does not work

  The glass industry excludes blades and metal scrapers from routine cleaning outright, and the scratches may only become visible months later at the right sun angle.

• Cloudy dishwasher glasses can be cleaned

  Disputed

  Sometimes they can, and sometimes the cloudiness is etching — which the manufacturer states is permanent. The two look identical and have opposite answers.

• Alcohol cleaners are gentle, so they are safe

  Disputed

  Its health rating is 1 and its flammability rating is 3. The hazard people underrate is the one the regulator rates highest.

The records

• Mirrored glass

  Material or surface

  Glass with a reflective backing and exposed edges. The trade body's guidance rules out both vinegar and ammonia — which is nearly everything sold for cleaning it.

• Glass

  Material or surface

  Chemically tough and mechanically fragile. Almost all damage to glass is grit dragged across it, not the cleaner used on it.

• Mirror

  Thing to clean

  The object whose standard household treatment its own trade body rules out. Vinegar and ammonia are both named.

• Ceramic glass

  Material or surface

  The heat-resistant glass used in stove doors and ceramic hobs. Chemically robust and thermally tough, but readily scratched, and scratches are permanent.

• Water marks

  Stain or problem

  What hard water leaves behind when it evaporates instead of being wiped away. A mineral film, not dirt, and the fix is at the drying stage.

• Limescale

  Stain or problem

  A hard, chalky calcium carbonate deposit left by hard water. Dissolved by acids, essentially untouched by detergents.

• Evaporative deposition

  Science

  The mark is made when the water leaves, not while it sits. Everything dissolved in it stays behind on the surface.

• Rinsing and drying

  Method

  The step people skip, and the one that decides whether cleaning protected the surface or damaged it. Residue left behind is exposure that continues after you stop.